Thank you BeaBride, it's nice to know that other people can see things the same way I do. I agree - proper manners does not seem to be universal and it is so frustrating. I sometimes find myself wondering how it is that my mum could teach us manners and other people's couldn't. It's one of the things that I think helps to bond me and my fi. Although we are from different places and cultures, we were both raised with a similar set of morals and manners. At least I know that we think the same way when it comes to raising our children! Now if I could just get the rest of the world to think like that - nah, maybe it would make it a very boring place!