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The other thing I don't understand is if he did actually have an IR camera, why didn't he have his assistant shooting regular images at the time he was using it?

 

These are the only IR images in your book, right? Or did he do this your entire wedding?

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from this post on his site, I would have expected images like this.

 

 

"Even today, a lot of the work I will present to you will be in B&W, because that's the way I sometimes prefer to see my subjects. You will rarely see a straightforward, ordinary, color photograph from me. When you do see color, it will be muted. Or saturated. Or tweaked and twisted around... "

 

There is some of that funky mint green stuff on the site too. Nothing as off the wall as what he did with your stuff.

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I'm getting into this discussion a bit late - but here my 2¢

 

Yes, some photographers use an IR camera

No - hardly anyone uses those on the lens filters anymore

Most of those images looked like they have been heavily Photoshopped using TRA actions.

 

But...

 

When shooting outdoors, in full sun, on the beach, traditional Photojournalistic techniques don't always work. What I'm talking about is that magazine style look where the background is blurry, and the subjects are sharp and in focus. That is accomplished using a big aperture (f1.2, f1.8, f2.cool.gif. What this does is lets in a ton of light to the camera. In bright conditions - like a beach this means the sky and surf are blown out, or at least the colors are washed out. Many photographers turn to the actions to hide these defects (and make the image more dramatic).

 

If this is the case, the colors aren't recorded in the camera, and even the original digital negatives won't be much help - as I suspect is the case.

 

Feel free to PM me and PLEASE keep us posted! Hope it all works out for you.

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Just to clarify what eric just posted. TRA= totally rad actions. It's a set of popular photoshop actions. You press play & you modify your image. You can get a vintage look, infrared look, etc. They can be nice used tastefully, but tacky in the wrong hands :)

 

He very likely used the action to make IR. But, just from what he is saying about you only having two choices, it makes me think he possibly had an IR camera.

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I think the B&W infrared looks fine. Are you OK with those? I hate the false color IR he has done.

I'm definitely OK with the black and white IR but also hate the color IR he's done. I mean would have preferred (i'm not sure how to make that a "stronger" wink.gif statement) that he take them all normally and THEN in post production gotten all fancy. I suppose if he doesn't save the originals it wouldn't have helped at all anyway.

I'd tell him to make all the false colors B&W. Yes, I tink that's what I"ll do. I know he'll fight me on that for the page with me, my sister, and mom because it'll be the same tone. I guess one of my biggest mistakes was not looking through old albums he had but I didn't really intend to get an album from him when we first started out (because of the price)

Also, it shouldn't matter which image is stonger. You should have the pictures in your book you are comfortable with. I also didn't want the sexy images in my album. It's the book I'm sharing with my grandparents & future kids. I'm sure if my photographer made the album I would have had to fight her on putting the sexy images in my book. She sounded pissed that I didn't put them in the albums I made originally (which we intended for our parents.)
That is such a huge turn off. It's YOUR book, not hers. It's not her kids that have to look at sexy pictures of her and her husband (if she's married)!

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The other thing I don't understand is if he did actually have an IR camera, why didn't he have his assistant shooting regular images at the time he was using it?

To the best of my knowledge, his assistant was shooting in full color but he only gave us a limited number of images (at least from what I can tell). sad.gif He never did get back to me about how many pictures they took total.

These are the only IR images in your book, right? Or did he do this your entire wedding?
Yes, these are the only color IR photos in our book but ALL Of the pictures of the resort itself are color IR. What?!?

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from this post on his site, I would have expected images like this.

"Even today, a lot of the work I will present to you will be in B&W, because that's the way I sometimes prefer to see my subjects. You will rarely see a straightforward, ordinary, color photograph from me. When you do see color, it will be muted. Or saturated. Or tweaked and twisted around... "

Yeah, in a sense. We went to his studio to view more pictures than the ones just on his website were not shown the "funky" ones. We told him verbally at that time that what we wanted was full color pictures and he said that he likes to use different angles, lighting, etc for his pictures. I'm totally not blaming because maybe if I had not taken what he showed us at face value and rather instead focused on what his website is saying then I would have realized. I just thought that the photos on his website were what he was talking about.
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I'm getting into this discussion a bit late - but here my 2¢

Yes, some photographers use an IR camera
No - hardly anyone uses those on the lens filters anymore
Most of those images looked like they have been heavily Photoshopped using TRA actions.

But...

When shooting outdoors, in full sun, on the beach, traditional Photojournalistic techniques don't always work. What I'm talking about is that magazine style look where the background is blurry, and the subjects are sharp and in focus. That is accomplished using a big aperture (f1.2, f1.8, f2.cool.gif. What this does is lets in a ton of light to the camera. In bright conditions - like a beach this means the sky and surf are blown out, or at least the colors are washed out. Many photographers turn to the actions to hide these defects (and make the image more dramatic).

He did tell me that it would be difficult on the beach with my white dress but some of our other pictures turned out amazing! Maybe it was how many clouds were around at the moment he snapped the shot. I wish I knew more about this and if I can do anything about it. I have been meaning to pick up Photoshop while I'm out of the country but I just haven't installed it on our laptop yet.

If this is the case, the colors aren't recorded in the camera, and even the original digital negatives won't be much help - as I suspect is the case.

I was afraid of this!


Feel free to PM me and PLEASE keep us posted! Hope it all works out for you.
I'll PM you soon with a few more questions

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Just to clarify what eric just posted. TRA= totally rad actions. It's a set of popular photoshop actions. You press play & you modify your image. You can get a vintage look, infrared look, etc. They can be nice used tastefully, but tacky in the wrong hands :)

He very likely used the action to make IR. But, just from what he is saying about you only having two choices, it makes me think he possibly had an IR camera.
Thanks for the TRA clarification! haha I've known those letters to stand for "The Right Approach" but knew that wasn't what it was. Do you think maybe because it would take a lot of time to UN-do IR in Photoshop that he's just telling me I only have two choices? The more informed I am before I contact him the more I'll probably be able to find out. *fingers crossed*

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Thanks for the TRA clarification! haha I've known those letters to stand for "The Right Approach" but knew that wasn't what it was. Do you think maybe because it would take a lot of time to UN-do IR in Photoshop that he's just telling me I only have two choices? The more informed I am before I contact him the more I'll probably be able to find out. *fingers crossed*
If he did the IR in photoshop I'm not sure if it can be undone unless he saved the layered photoshop document The best would be starting over with the original & doing clean processing to it if he saved the original.

Going to all B&W would be the best option. He may not like the fact that it doesn't contrast as much with the other B&W's, but it's your album. I think it will look a whole lot better without the brown image on the page.

I think once the brown/ mint green images are removed your album will look great. The underwater pictures are really cool.

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I sent him an email and asked if the IR photos are done in Photoshop or were a lens on his camera. Hopefully he will answer me back so I can see how and if the pictures can be changed.

 

Thanks again for your help! :) I promise to update everyone once I hear back from him.

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I'm thankful he gave me a response but so incredibly disappointed to find out it was his camera. rant.gif

 

Here is what he wrote:

"To answer your question, one of my cameras was modified to be sensitive only to the infrared portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. It is blind to light as we know it. I brought it with me to Cancun because the bright sun is very IR rich and produced a nice alternative to the look of the other photos. Between that, my "normal" camera and the underwater camera, I covered a lot of ground! It was the reason I nearly got in trouble with Customs in Cancun.

 

You can learn a bit more about IR photography here, if you're interested:

Infrared photography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

That article isn't entirely accurate, but it give a good general background. :)"

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I'm thankful he gave me a response but so incredibly disappointed to find out it was his camera. rant.gif

Here is what he wrote:
"To answer your question, one of my cameras was modified to be sensitive only to the infrared portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. It is blind to light as we know it. I brought it with me to Cancun because the bright sun is very IR rich and produced a nice alternative to the look of the other photos. Between that, my "normal" camera and the underwater camera, I covered a lot of ground! It was the reason I nearly got in trouble with Customs in Cancun.

You can learn a bit more about IR photography here, if you're interested:
Infrared photography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That article isn't entirely accurate, but it give a good general background. :)"
I think the B&W infrared images he tooked look cool. Do you not like those? I haven't seen them large to really judge, but the little versions look nice.

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This is the first time I hear about using IR converted camera for weddings! It's mostly used for landscapes. I doubt he really did this as that would be a bit insane. He probably just used photoshop to do it. A few Photoshop plug-ins can achieve similar effect.

On the other hand, you should have looked at his portfolio if he has similar images in there, then that's his style and he was under impression this is what you hired him for. All of us have different styles and are known for it.

If he doesn't anything similar on his website, you can approach him and tell them that what he gave you is different from the examples on his website. The more experience the photographer, the more consistent are the images. When photographers first start out, they tend to try many things to see what works for them. Sometimes this can be dangerous because weddings are not the best time to try new things.

 

Good luck!

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