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#11 Matt Adcock

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    Posted 10 June 2010 - 04:43 PM

    Good thread...

    I spent half a day writing about my thoughts on the Gazebo at the Royal as and what it means for your photographs.

    This can be applied to most gazebos out there too.

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    Ceremony location at the Royal, PDC. Gazebo... the big question.... Do we have the wedding inside or outside of the Gazebo, or at the edge? What about it being dark? My thoughts on gazebo's go pretty much hand in hand for all gazebos. I thought I'd clear a few things up... or to throw a PUN in there... shed some LIGHT on the situation.

    The biggest problem we have at the Royal's Gazebo location is that more often than not, brides are planning their ceremony spots INSIDE the Gazebo. While this sounds like a super nice idea on paper and in your mind, lighting wise, its real tough on us photographers.

    A few things...and let this serve as my disclaimer... (we don't claim to be the overall authority either, just an opinion and you know what they say about those :) Consider these basic principals when trying to visualize how light actually works and then try to apply them. I don't expect you to completely understand all of this, so if you want to play it safe, just trust me :)

    1. Light vs Dark. Its obvious...where there is light, you can see better. Where there is dark, you can't see detail as much... Seems pretty simple eh? Well, consider that the human eye can see about 15 levels of detail in a subject falling under any given light circumstances from the brightest bright to the darkest dark. 15 levels of detail. This can also be considered a latitude of detail from brightest to dark. Well, the camera only sees 5 levels of detail under the same lighting conditions. Sounds confusing...well, not really. Just know the human eye is VERY sensitive to light and the camera is NOT.

    2. Apply light vs dark principal to under the gazebo vs not under it. Its that simple, just stand at the edge and by principal alone, there will be more light falling on you vs what would be inside. This is major for our cameras.

    3. Gazebo by the ocean. This needs to be a reality check here because we seem to be realizing a lot of misconceptions, specifically at the RPDC. Just because you are choosing a location that is near the ocean, or "oceanside" as the Royal's Marketing may suggest, its very less likely that your photos will actually have anything in them suggesting you were oceanside... i'm going to provide photo examples below to explain my point....

    There are lots of positive points about the Gazebo location... 1..that its private is a BIG bonus. PDC has a LOT of tourists on the beach, just about every day. This can't be avoided with lots of by-standards hanging around in clothing that may make you blush :) The Gazebo eliminates that.

    In closing on my initial thoughts about the Gazebo, I'd like everybody to know that the privacy element to the Gazebo is one of our favorite elements about weddings here... There are lots of possibilities in and around the garden area for great shots too, so we highly recommend this spot. Just use discretion when planning here.

    Ok, i'm going to provide a few photo examples just to shore up my thoughts on the Gazebo and lighting around. Most of my examples relate to weddings that are shot in the afternoon 3pm before daylight savings or 5pm or so after daylight savings.

    When you plan your wedding next to the far back side, meaning your bridal party stands inside (usually all the guests are in there too) this is when the photographic problems start to begin for us. In this wedding, bride and groom are at the very back edge with such a beautiful ocean background... but, without some sort of artificial lighting (big studio strobe flashes) they are standing in darkness. Make sense? The ocean is about 100-150 feet away, and in TOTAL brightness. Remember my example above, bright vs dark. The light at the ocean is more than 15 times brighter than the light under the gazebo. Remember, the human eye sees 15 levels of detail, but the camera only sees 5.

    So, in this first example. Shot October 29 at 5:15pm, right around sunset
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    We used the silhouette technique here, and notice that the sky and ocean are dramatically dark... this is a photo technique where we underexpose the background to draw emphasis. But, you get the idea bright vs dark.

    Ok, here is the same bride Click the image to open in full size.

    Keep in mind, we shoot mostly available light for every single ceremony we have ever photographed at, this is a style choice and Id say that most of our pro photog buddies do the same. Direct flash during a ceremony is kinda ugly. Now, my above photo example you can now notice, all background of that pretty ocean is GONE, all white. Thus, the backlight. Now, a flash may be a problem solver, but it would be a little intrusive for us to use during a ceremony, which is another reason we use natural light.

    Here is the SAME couple, just a few seconds before the first kiss, here we have exposed for the background (WAY darker, which puts the people totally under silhouette.
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    My intention by posting these images and giving my short descriptions is to help you visualize what we are thinking and seeing as we shoot.

    Ok, here is a different couple, we used natural light to illuminate the subjects, background is GONE...
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    Now, unless your photographer uses very powerful flash during the ceremony (almost studio quality lighting), your photos with available light will look like this. I don't think this is bad at all, just a style choice. You can see that this couple is inches away from the back side, the fence on the edge of the gazebo as well. You can check out Click the image to open in full size.


    Logistically, being on that back edge brings 1 more challenge. As storytellers, we are stoked to get those moments where bride sees groom walking down the isle and groom sees her, or a handshake to dad giving his daughter away...a moment that we feel deserves to be shot from both sides. IF you want to stand a few inches away from the beach side edge of the gazebo, forget about seeing these kind of photos...

    In this wedding, the bride stood at the edge of the gazebo, giving our photographers the chance to shoot from two perspectives..


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    These two are all about daddy...he gets the look from his daughter

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    Daddy gets that handshake of respect from the groom...

    Keep in mind, if you stand against the back edge, this kind of photojournalism is nearly impossible. I'd change the entire setup for this reason alone, if it were my wedding to plan.

    Ok, so now I think we are getting somewhere in terms of planning ideas and what Light VS dark is really all about. Now, lets throw in 1 more twist. Keep in mind, that most afternoon weddings take place when the sun is at such a low angle in the sky, that the actual building of the Royal casts a shadow on the entire location at the gazebo. This makes the light nice and even, meaning LOW CONTRAST, which essentially is an easier condition to make photographs in. BUT, a few things to consider... The light outside is on the ocean side is going to be WAY stronger, thus if we expose our images to light the wedding area (in shade) then the background is going to appear over exposed.

    Here is an example:
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    Image shot on March 29, 4:12 pm.
    This is a beautiful photo for our clients to remember exactly what happened and what the setup looked like on the wedding day, it shows a scene setter and displays all the guests in attendance. With the way the camera works we have a tough time shooting the sky and ocean unless we underexpose (make the people in the foreground in shade, darker) and then you wouldnt be able to see any guests, bride and groom would be in Silhouette. Make sense? We always shoot the wedding in hopes to portray what we felt the guests saw and what the bride and groom remember. Standing inside in the middle of darkness, the waves and ocean and sunshine aren't actually a big memory here. The photo session on the beach is what the sunset and 'beach photo session" is all about, after the wedding!

    That above photo comes from Click the image to open in full size.
    March 29, image shot at 4:15.

    Are you rolling along with my examples?

    I'm going to post a little bit more in another post because my image limit is 10
    MORE on that here: http://bestdestinati....ography-58731/

    #12 abbypoo

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      Posted 10 June 2010 - 06:58 PM

      That was such a great post! Thank you. So just to be clear, you think it's best for the wedding party and bride and groom to stand at the very edge of the gazebo with the guests sitting outside the gazebo?

      #13 Matt Adcock

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        Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:09 PM

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by AngieEH

        Royal Playa del Carmen (adult only resort)
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        This photo showcases the "darkenss" that I write about in my above post. Grass is super green, sky is super blue, ocean is turquoise purrrrfect...

        PEOPLE ARE DARK, silhouette. This is how it goes for us pros, unless we use obtrusive flash, which del Sol Photographers do not use) during ceremonies.

        #14 Matt Adcock

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          Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:10 PM

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by abbypoo
          That was such a great post! Thank you. So just to be clear, you think it's best for the wedding party and bride and groom to stand at the very edge of the gazebo with the guests sitting outside the gazebo?
          de nada,

          In some cases, yes, this is exactly what I'm suggesting.... sounds crazy as it may totally defeat the purpose of a wedding under a shaded gazeboo.

          Remember, my suggestions are jaded towards wanting the photos to look UUUMMMMMAAAAAZZZZZZING.

          #15 Matt Adcock

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            Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:29 PM

            Here are a few from a recent wedding at Aventura Spa Palace.

            This place is very very similar to that of the Royal Gazeboo. Inside, its night time compared to the blazing sunshine blue sky turquoise ocean.

            Click the image to open in full size.
            Bonus because you can shoot bride walking in with a mid / towards the back setup...

            Its CRUCIAL to be able to get images of the bride and groom seeing each other as they walk down the isle!
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            Click the image to open in full size. You can see the people inside are all in silhouette.


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            Scenic View

            First Kiss
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            Night vs DAY examples of the Silhouette (exposed for outside light vs exposed for inside light)
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            A few seconds later, exposed for the light inside...

            Big difference eh?

            Remember, with a Gazebo, its almost impossible to get the best of both worlds of exposure... Your eye sees way differently than the camera.

            You can view more of Kelsey and Royce's slideshow from Aventura HERE:
            Kelsey + Royce

            Cheers!
            matt


            PS... I have way way way more to post on different gazebos, just no time to do it.... hopefully more later!

            mateo

            #16 jodieP

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              Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:17 PM

              Hi Angie, Hope you don't mind if I add a few pics here too....

              From the Riu Caribe.

              I am biased since I am getting married here!

              I switched from beach ceremony to Gazebo ceremony though because of a few factors...walking on sand, breeze, and water sports directly beside the wedding ceremony setup on the beach cannot/will not be moved and would block the veiws of the gorgeus ocean!!

              FRONT VIEW SET UP FOR A SMALL CEREMONY
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              FRONT VIEW UNSET
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              SIDE VIEW UNSET
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              VIEW FROM A ROOM BALCONY ABOVE GAZEBO SIDE OF HOTEL
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              Just thought I would share some more Gazebo pics, since we wanted the back drop but not the sand?

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              #17 AngieEH

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                Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:58 PM

                thank you everyone for contributing to the thread. I tried searching "Gazebo| and it was a little tough but that's how I found the list of all the resorts with gazebos and from there, I just tried to track down images from google and stole a couple from others' posts on the forum. This is a great way to compare gazebos if it should be important to someone now and in the future

                and Matt! Thanks for chiming in. It's great to get the inside scoop from a photographer and your examples were good. It is obvious you know what you are doing and you're not just some amateur (because it seems like EVERYONE is picking up a camera these days and calling themselves pro). It's obvious you put a lot of effort in your article(s) and swifting through your archives for examples... it's almost like we had our very own powerpoint presentation on forum spread :)

                #18 msglave

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                  Posted 11 June 2010 - 02:13 AM

                  FYI-The Royal PDC has a sister hotel across the street that is for families. Non-adults are allowed to come over for he wedding. Their is some policy for day passes if your guests are staying at the Gran Porto (sister hotel) and want to visit The Royal outside of wedding time.
                  The Royal Playa del Carmen 12.11.10 / 46 people + bride & groom attended!!!!!
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                  #19 Matt Adcock

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                    Posted 06 July 2010 - 10:59 AM

                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by AngieEH
                    thank you everyone for contributing to the thread. I tried searching "Gazebo| and it was a little tough but that's how I found the list of all the resorts with gazebos and from there, I just tried to track down images from google and stole a couple from others' posts on the forum. This is a great way to compare gazebos if it should be important to someone now and in the future
                    DE NADA :)


                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by AngieEH
                    and Matt! Thanks for chiming in. It's great to get the inside scoop from a photographer and your examples were good. It is obvious you know what you are doing and you're not just some amateur (because it seems like EVERYONE is picking up a camera these days and calling themselves pro). It's obvious you put a lot of effort in your article(s) and swifting through your archives for examples... it's almost like we had our very own powerpoint presentation on forum spread :)
                    Everyone is picking up a camera and traveling to do destination weddings with absolutely NO experience as a traveler, no legal visa, hardly enough backup equipment, NO insurance, No knowledge of the locations... wow, this rant could go on forever.

                    I could write another book on Gazebos, just have no time to do it

                    good luck planning
                    mateo

                    #20 anel1987

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                      Posted 06 July 2010 - 07:31 PM

                      My FI and I are getting married at Marina El Cid Spa & Resort,Riviera Maya and we're having our wedding on a Jetty.. you should check it out.. it's an interesting alternative to gazebo, and it's surrounded by the ocean




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