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#31 ErinB


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    Posted 06 May 2008 - 06:43 PM

    The coffin thing confuses me. I remember it being really small looking, like a child would be in it, not an adult. I almost wonder if it was Aaron and the "him" Kate refers to was Ben.

    Maybe Jack is trying to get back to the island to find Claire if he finds out she is his sister so she can take Aaron back.

    What was it the psychic said about Claire's baby? That she was the only one who could raise it?

    #32 JennyK

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      Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:00 AM

      Originally Posted by JamaicaBride062108
      The coffin thing confuses me. I remember it being really small looking, like a child would be in it, not an adult. I almost wonder if it was Aaron and the "him" Kate refers to was Ben.

      Maybe Jack is trying to get back to the island to find Claire if he finds out she is his sister so she can take Aaron back.

      What was it the psychic said about Claire's baby? That she was the only one who could raise it?
      I dunno if he wants to take aaron back because he didnt mention it when Kate met up with him in that last episode last season.. she was still all googly-eyed saying "He" would be waiting up for her

      #33 jmhein

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        Posted 09 May 2008 - 03:19 PM

        Where are my fellow Losties today? I LOVED last night's show!! New mysteries were the mysterious island guy (I dont remember if we ever learned his name?) who was outside of the room when Baby John Locke was born and then appeared again at the house when he was a child! And then the OTHER guy who has something to do with Oceanic or the island who was John's attendant when he was in the wheelchair... then there is Claire who is OK but with Christian in Jacob's cabin... wow, I am more confused but loving it!
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        #34 Kat81

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          Posted 09 May 2008 - 03:29 PM

          For those of you that want to go back and watch them. You can always watch them on ABC.com. That is what I do when I want to go back and watch one. As for last night... I am sooo confused. My poor FI just started watching with me at the beginning of this season. I have to explain it all to him all the time

          #35 Cole5worm

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            Posted 09 May 2008 - 03:55 PM

            I love it! I think that the guy that was locks atendnet is Jacob! i am very confused about Kate and Jack.. i too kept thinking about the last episode when jack and kate met up!

            Who else thinks its super sad that Jing dies! (sorry a couple of episodes back)

            Oh that guy that was with lock when he was little.. he is one of the others.. he is the one that gave lock the file on Soyer to help lock kill his father. He said "they have been waiting for him"

            Ps.. isn't the knife's his.. that lost me.. but now it makes sicne why he never died.. the Island wanted him.. maybe

            #36 Kat81

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              Posted 09 May 2008 - 03:57 PM

              Originally Posted by Cole5worm

              Ps.. isn't the knife's his.. that lost me.. but now it makes sicne why he never died.. the Island wanted him.. maybe
              I think he knew the knive wasn't his. I think he was trying to get that guy to go away

              #37 Cole5worm

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                Posted 09 May 2008 - 04:07 PM

                Originally Posted by Kat81
                I think he knew the knive wasn't his. I think he was trying to get that guy to go away
                Hmmm.. maybe! SO werid!

                #38 Heidi

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                  Posted 09 May 2008 - 04:26 PM

                  write up from EW magazine... incredible things the writer points out! My brain just doesn't think this way!

                  Last night was for us. The cultists. The obsessives. The crazies who have
                  committed to this long, strange trip and gotten lost in it. Like the candy
                  bar Hurley generously shared with Ben while Locke was chatting with the
                  spectral squatters inside Jacob's shack (a nod to the Neo-Oracle-cookie
                  scene in The Matrix?), ''Cabin Fever'' was an episode packed with a chunky
                  abundance of brain-fattening cryptonuggets to nourish our fevered theory
                  making and message-board blustering. Comic-book references. Biblical
                  allusions. Mythological connections. Double meanings to scores of lines. I
                  loved Hurley's ''theory'' that he, Ben, and Locke were chosen for this
                  vision quest because they were the craziest ones on the Island. This in an
                  episode whose '50s-set flashbacks evoked, fittingly, AMC's Mad Men and whose
                  thematic concern with fate mirrors that of No Country for Old Men, a
                  narrative about three men dangling on sanity's thread, though at different
                  points. Amid the clues, red herrings, and tomfoolery, I saw in the episode a
                  fiendishly clever love letter to those of us who've become so locked up
                  inside Lost that they've been somewhat deliriously messed up by it. That's
                  really why they called it ''Cabin Fever.'' Just my theory, but who knows?
                  Maybe I'm just seeing things again.

                  ''Can history then be said to have an architecture? The notion is most
                  glorious and most horrible.'' - From Hell

                  Should John Locke be lucky enough to see the year 2008, he would be 50. That would make him as old as the central figure in the aforementioned text, one Sir William Gull, a 19th-century English physician. Some interesting
                  overlaps between these characters. In From Hell, Gull is a middle-aged man
                  uncertain of his purpose, but he is convinced he is special and senses that
                  the architecture of his life is building to a point. Or, in the sweet,
                  hiccupy phrasing of Buddy Holly that was quoted by Lost last night, ''Every
                  day it gets a little closer/Rolling faster than a roller coaster/A love like
                  yours will surely come my way.'' At 50, though, Gull suddenly finds his
                  calling in the form of a mystical mission to defend his country - an island,
                  don't you know - from an insidious conspiracy. You know, just like Locke.
                  Gull is also, probably, totally crackers; he's Alan Moore's speculative pick
                  for being Jack the Ripper. And while Locke is not yet a mass-murdering
                  maniac, I have the strangest feeling, based on what we saw last night, that
                  the architecture of his life is building exactly to that horrifying point.

                  ''Cabin Fever'' began by showing us the foundation for such a life: Locke's
                  birth. We've previously been given reason to believe Locke was born in May
                  of 1956. But in the opening scene, we saw his mother, a rebellious
                  16-year-old Emily, secretly six months pregnant with John, dancing to that
                  Buddy Holly song and primping for a date with an older man - presumably,
                  John's con-man biological pop, Anthony Cooper. ''Everyday'' was released on
                  vinyl in July 1957. This sounds picky, but timing is crucial in light of
                  future events. I got that whiff of Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men
                  when Emily ran out in the rain and got hit by a car. No Country also
                  featured an out-of-the-blue automobile accident, one that involved Anton
                  Chigurh, one of three debatably unhinged dudes who drive McCarthy's plot and the one who serves as the author's embodiment of terrifying inevitability, a mass-murdering monster formed in the William Gull-From Hell mold.

                  Struck down by...well, we never saw who was behind the wheel, did we? Maybe that's important, maybe not, or maybe not yet, but anyway, Emily was rushed to the hospital, and with that, John Locke entered the world three months ahead of time. ''He's okay,'' said the nurse. ''He's just a little early.'' As Preemie John was wheeled away in a toasty incubator that looked like a microwave oven (talk about cabin fever!), Emily cried out her wish that the boy be named John. Now, all of that should have sounded familiar to you.
                  Flashback one year ago this week, in which Lost gave us another cheery
                  Mother's Day edition, ''The Man Behind the Curtain.'' That episode told the
                  origin story of Benjamin Linus, who, if you recall, was also born
                  prematurely, and also born to a woman named Emily who cried out his name,
                  although she did so as she died. Some points of difference: Ben was raised
                  by his biological father (oops), while Locke was given up for adoption and
                  raised in foster care. Also, Ben was born about five years after Locke; call
                  it 1963. But as it so happens, Locke's fifth year was a key marker in his
                  fate-whipped trajectory, for it brought Richard Alpert into his life.

                  We had seen the forever young Other No. 2 earlier in the episode, checking
                  in on Preemie Locke and beaming like some admiring magus from the east. Or
                  west. Or wherever in Christendom the Island is/was/will be positioned in the
                  space-time continuum. Returning five years later, the wise man unexpectedly
                  dropped in on Locke as the boy was playing backgammon, much to the
                  consternation of his sister. Alpert claimed to be with a school that catered
                  to ''extremely special'' children. He said that Locke could be a candidate
                  for his institution and wanted to assess his aptitude. And then, after
                  puzzling over one of John's drawings - a stick-figure man bowled over by a
                  cyclone of black scribble (Smokey?) - Alpert gave Locke a test, and with
                  that, Lost gave us a scene so dense with (potential) subtext it just might
                  take all of the forthcoming eight-month hiatus to unravel it.

                  The test involved Alpert setting six objects in front of John. They were a
                  baseball mitt; an old tome titled Book of Laws; a corked vial containing a
                  granular substance (sand?); a compass; a Mystery Tales comic book (''What
                  was the secret of the mysterious 'Hidden Land'?'' asked the cover; other
                  stories in the issue were ''The Travelers'' and ''Crossroads of Destiny'');
                  and a knife. ''I want you to look at these things, and think about them,''
                  said Alpert. ''Now...which of these belong to you...already?'' There will
                  surely be a great debate on how to interpret that ''already.'' To me, it
                  seemed that Alpert was asking Locke to consider looking forward into his
                  life for these objects - as if for people like Alpert and perhaps Locke,
                  past, present, and future happen all at once. That's just my take, and
                  anyway, Locke seemed to fail the test. He slid the vial toward him and off
                  to the side. Then he picked up the compass and set it down. Both of these
                  actions seemed to please Alpert. But then Locke chose the knife and held on
                  to it, and even seemed to enjoy holding on to it, like a knight getting the
                  feel of his sword. Alpert was not only crestfallen but vaguely pissed. ''I'm
                  afraid John isn't ready for our school,'' he said as he left in a huff, and
                  raced out to...catch the next time machine back to the Island?

                  This is where Lost nutjobs like me lose our minds, or at least much sleep -
                  deconstructing scenes like these. As it turns out, these six objects are
                  portals that, if opened, can flood your mind with possibilities on how to
                  ''read'' the show. Taken individually and separately - and further
                  reinforced by other winks and nods throughout the episode - these embedded clues can link provocatively to The Uncanny X-Men (may I recommend Giant Size X-Men #1, in which ''new'' X-Men must save ''old'' X-Men from ''Krakoa, The Living Island''); Jewish and Mormon history; Egyptian mythology; Freemason conspiracy theory; and, yes, even that From Hell business. The underlying connection: ''special people'' and ''chosen people,'' tapped by fate, biology, or higher powers to execute great work in the world, often in secret. In a word: ''Others.''

                  But the Book of Law reference is worth focusing on for a few sentences,
                  because it strikes me as proof positive that the writers of Lost not only
                  are keenly aware of how its cultists scrutinize their work but mischievously
                  play to this crowd too. After all, Book of Law evokes a bona fide cult
                  text - or should I say occult text? It's called The Book of the Law, written
                  in 1904 by ''the wickedest man on the planet,'' Aleister Crowley. The book
                  extols the philosophy of Thelema, which is summed up thusly: ''Do what thou
                  wilt.'' Or, in the words of Lost-cited Mama Cass, ''Make your own kind of
                  music/Make your own special song.'' Or, as 16-year-old John Locke raged in
                  the character's third flashback scene, ''Don't tell me what I can't do!''
                  This came after a bunch of bullies locked Locke in a locker - continuing a
                  recurring theme of a boxed-in confinement throughout the episode - and a
                  kindly teacher encouraged John to attend a summer science camp run by
                  Mittelos, which we know is the off-Island outfit run by the Others. But the
                  brainy Locke refused. He didn't want to be a man of science - he wanted to
                  be a boy of action. Play sports. Go on adventures. Play with knives and hunt
                  some boar, presumably. His teacher responded, ''You can't be the prom king.
                  You can't be the quarterback. You can't be a superhero.''

                  I guess that's some pretty good advice to get from a teacher, though I think
                  a very sharp point was being made by keeping the name of the school's
                  athletic teams in constant view during the whole scene: the Knights. Locke
                  might be a geek by nature, but he lives in a culture that idolizes the stud.
                  Toss in the female issues in his life - abandoned by his mother, only conditionally loved by his foster mother and sister - and factor in the
                  daddy anger and desperate-for-purpose disposition, and you have the portrait of a conflicted, impotent man yearning for clarity and empowerment. Such men are known to make very stupid choices - and sometimes, deadly ones. See: Benjamin Linus.

                  Which brings me to the provocative Big Idea that I strongly believe ''Cabin
                  Fever'' was jerking its head toward, hoping that we would ''get it'' without
                  spelling it out. There was a moment last night when Ben accused Locke of
                  manipulating Hurley into going with them to Jacob's cabin by using
                  Ben-patented reverse psychology. Locke denied doing so, saying, ''I'm not
                  you.'' Ben jumped on this, saying, ''You're certainly not.''

                  Now, do the timeline math.

                  Locke is born early. At age 5, he takes a test that most likely would have
                  taken him to the Island if he had passed. He didn't. That same year,
                  Benjamin Linus is born. At age 16, Locke is invited to go to a science camp
                  that again would have taken him to the Island. He refused. About that same
                  time, Benjamin Linus and his father joined the Dharma Initiative. The
                  implication, it seems, is that Ben has been walking the path that was
                  originally meant for Locke. Ben was the contingency plan - the course
                  correction - for Locke's altered destiny. But Ben is his own person, of
                  course, and he has done things differently from what Locke would have done,
                  and this, in turn, has created further changes in the original order of
                  things - changes that I think a certain ticked-off, Island-deprived
                  billionaire named Charles Widmore is trying to reverse. The scene at the
                  rehab center between paralyzed adult Locke and his wheelchair pusher, the
                  creepy Matthew Abbaddon - who accepted the description of ''orderly'' with
                  knowing irony - was meant to suggest one way Widmore is scheming to restore the original order: by getting Locke on that Island and taking back the birthright that was supposed to be his.

                  (Unless I'm getting this reversed: What if Ben was the man of destiny, but
                  for decades, various forces - including Alpert and Widmore-Abbaddon - have
                  been vainly trying to change destiny by getting Locke to the Island to
                  supplant the ┬╝ber-Other?)

                  Regardless, here's the twist - the twist that could turn Locke into a mass
                  murderer of sorts. As we saw at the end of the episode, Locke's plan for
                  saving the Island is moving the Island. Now, I have no idea how he intends
                  to do that. But if I'm tracking correctly the weird science Lost has been
                  laying down this season, I wonder if where we're headed is a catastrophic
                  gambit in which Locke will move the Island not only in space but also in
                  time, which I'm guessing will cause some kind of massive retroactive course
                  correction - or, rather, already has enacted a course correction. In fact, I
                  wonder if the secret to many of the metaphysical mysteries of Lost is that
                  all of the show's drama is playing out against the backdrop of a timeline
                  that's in flux - where old history is giving way to new history as the
                  consequences of Locke's future Island-saving actions trickle down through
                  time. And so that wreckage of Oceanic 815 at the bottom of the ocean? That isn't a hoax - at least, not in the new timeline taking hold. That's real.
                  And it will be John the Quantum Ripper's fault.

                  OTHER THINGS

                  Locke's dreamy encounter with dead Dharma dude Horace Goodspeed We learned that ''Jacob's cabin'' was actually built by the Dharma mathematician as a getaway pad for himself and his wife, Olivia. But other than tip Locke off
                  to the whereabouts of the map that could help him find his now on-the-loose
                  lodge, Goodspeed didn't give up any more factual info. Other details may be
                  symbolic or foreshadowing of events to come. Did the nosebleed mean that
                  Horace was a Dharma time traveler? Was the looping nature of the dream a
                  clue that the castaways are caught in a time loop? And where was Olivia?

                  Ben's big Purge spill In between griping about not being the Island's chosen
                  boy anymore (you buying that?) and how fate can be a ''fickle bitch'' (great
                  line - and possibly yet another punch at Locke's issue buttons; I don't
                  totally believe Ben isn't in complete control of what's currently going
                  down), Ben revealed that he hasn't always been the leader of the Others -
                  and that he didn't order the Purge. So who preceded him in leadership? And
                  who ordered the gassing of the Dharma barracks? Michael Emerson's line
                  reading - as always, perfectly intoned to suggest a multiplicity of
                  possibilities - seemed to hint that it might be someone we know. So maybe
                  Charles Widmore? Time-looped John Locke? Who?

                  The death of the freighter doctor First, let me say that I think Kevin
                  Durand, the actor who plays Keamy, is emerging as a real find this season;
                  he plays that mercenary part with a scene-stealing mix of menace and damaged vulnerability. Profoundly angry - and profoundly spooked - by his ill-fated Island excursion to extract Ben, Keamy rallied his merc squad with a ''torch the Island'' mandate. To that end, he pulled out a secret Dharma file that revealed to him where Ben will probably go next (what was that - the script for the season finale?) (just kidding - Ben's destination is probably the
                  Orchid station), then he shot the captain and slit the freighter doc's
                  throat to motivate Lapidus to fly him back to the Island. Keamy's sarcastic
                  line after dumping the doc overboard was interesting: ''Did that change
                  anything?'' It changed more than Keamy could imagine. As we saw in ''The
                  Shape of Things to Come,'' the doc's corpse traveled through the offshore
                  anomaly and washed up on the beach in the past. As a result, Jack and
                  company confronted Faraday and Charlotte and finally confirmed that the
                  freighter folk aren't there to save them. This is all to say that, thanks to
                  the doc's death, Jack's camp knows to either avoid that helicopter or, if
                  they follow after it, do so cautiously, and with a battle plan in their back
                  pocket, just in case.

                  Finally, where was Jacob? When Locke went into Jacob's shack, he found the
                  grumpy old specter was still out to lunch. But a spry Ghost Christian
                  Shephard played his representative, and his daughter/sidekick/death friend
                  (?) Claire sat nearby flashing an array of coy smiles, implying some kind of
                  enlightenment or some kind of evil. What do you think? Is she dead? I think
                  so. And where did Jacob go? Was it just me, or did anyone else think that
                  Locke in the wheelchair at the hospital looked similar to the Jacob we've
                  seen, if he had a little more hair. Finally: Are you thinking that Locke
                  spent more time inside Jacob's shack than we saw? Do you think there was
                  more to his meeting than just ''Move the Island, dude''?
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                  #39 Heidi

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                    Posted 09 May 2008 - 04:29 PM

                    Originally Posted by Cole5worm

                    Who else thinks its super sad that Jin dies! (sorry a couple of episodes back)
                    I don't think Jin dies. I think he's just still on the island. And the Oceanic 6 are keeping up the rouse that they're the only survivors, so Sun must pretend like Jin is dead. She's still mourning because he's there and she's home, so they never will be together.
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                    #40 Heidi

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                      Posted 09 May 2008 - 04:30 PM

                      one more thing...who else thinks Claire is dead? She was just WAY too weird last night with dead Christian Sheppard! And since when did Claire not care about her baby anymore?? She's totally dead, which stinks - I really liked the Claire/Charlie story line.
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